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Post by KSSunflower on Oct 5, 2018 6:54:15 GMT -6
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Post by mathieu on Oct 5, 2018 9:40:49 GMT -6
How do you feel the therapist did in answering his question? Very informative and made the situation very relatable.
What would you say if you were this person's bishop, friend, parent? I would have to agree with what the therapist said. It's human nature to feel attraction to those of the opposite sex. Just because you are married doesn't stop the human side of things.
Have you found people other than your spouse attractive? Yes. Celebrities for example is one that comes to mind.
Do you feel it is common? If so, how common? I think it is very common. My wife has a difficulty acknowledging it as I'm sure a lot of people do to. It's hard for some people to acknowledge attraction to someone other than their spouse.
Do you think it is more prevalent among one gender? I do not. Men might be more comfy with it.
How do you keep it from crossing the line into lust? What specific actions do you take? I think like what the article says, you don't act on those feelings. You don't focus on body parts. If there is a lot of desire towards that person, you walk away. Tell your wife / husband about it so they can help.
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Post by edshubby on Oct 5, 2018 15:12:11 GMT -6
For the most part, I think it was a great answer, especially the part where it talks about how Christ was tempted and how attraction is part of the human experience. It diminishes the Atonement to imply that temptation for Christ really wasn’t temptation. Our body will always have various impulses and it is important how we respond, or don’t respond, that is important. What would you say if you were this person's bishop, friend, parent? I think I would say much the same as the therapist, but in some ways I might raise the bar, while in other ways I might lower it. For example, it’s hard to view someone as a “whole person” if you don’t know them. This doesn’t mean that any attraction to people you don’t know well is therefore sinful. What matters is if this limited view of them keeps you from granting them some minimum measure of respect and decency that should be granted to all people. Acceptable / Non-sinful attraction can be more IMO than a dispassionate intellectual appreciation for beauty. It is something physical. It is the embers of a fire that can turn into a raging inferno if you throw kindling and additional fuel onto it. The point is that you keep embers embers. Just because there are embers doesn’t mean you’re sinning. If you’re leaving them alone or doing your best to dump cold water on them, you’re fine. Have you found people other than your spouse attractive? Do you feel it is common? If so, how common? Of course people other than my spouse are attractive. I think it happens to everyone, depending on their sexual awareness — kind of like sex drive, some people are high, others are low, but I think it might be distinct from sex drive. For example, someone that is completely asexual / low sexual awareness, I would assume they never feel attraction to another person, but someone with a high sexual awareness probably feels attraction quite strongly and more frequently, assuming there’s someone to be attracted to, regardless of whether the attraction is to their spouse or not. Do you think it is more prevalent among one gender? If you look at the gender disparity in things like infidelity, it does seem like a few women get around to a lot of guys. However, what I’ve learned about sex drive is that it is more evenly distributed between the sexes than most people think, so attraction should be too. The disparity in how this is expressed probably has more to do with women prioritizing security over other concerns. How do you keep it from crossing the line into lust? What specific actions do you take? I don’t think about sexual acts with the subject of the attraction. I base my sexual decisions on my relationship to them, not how attracted to them I am. Personally, it takes very little to be attracted to my wife. I’m one of those men who find their wife to be incredibly sexy and sexually desirable when they’re pregnant. Simply thinking about how she’s the mother of my children, whether she’s pregnant or not, can give me a hard on — seriously, I got one just thinking about this while typing it out. On the other hand, sex with someone without a significant relationship holds very little interest for me, physical attraction or no. Keep it RARE: 1) Recognize the attraction. Cultivate self-awareness, if needed. The more we are aware of our body and our minds, the more equipped we are to make rational decisions instead of merely reacting to stimuli. 2) Accept what you’re feeling, that it is normal, and that you’re not a bad person for feeling that way. Your body and your spirit are supposed to be joined together and they’re designed with purpose. What is bad or good is how you respond to the feelings of attraction. 3) Remove yourself from situations that risk overwhelming you and provide fertile ground for poor decisions. If you find yourself crossing the line in your thoughts at the local swimming pool or beach, you might reconsider putting yourself in that situation, or devise strategies to keep yourself focused on something else. If you know you’re attracted to someone and you think you might make bad decisions, avoid being alone with them. This includes waiting until the attraction has subsided / you’re no longer thinking of that person before you engage in any sexual activity. If I see a gorgeous woman in a bikini at the beach, then go find the restrooms so I can rub one out, that’s pretty poor self-control and probably has something to do with what I just saw. You don’t want to be thinking of someone else while engaging in sexual activity. 4) Express your feelings in an appropriate way. Since we are built to have and respond to feelings of attraction, we need to have a plan for their ultimate expression within the bounds of our own marriage. This could take many forms, depending on your situation. It could mean making plans for being intimate with your own spouse and focusing on your love for them. It could mean that you refocus your energy on doing something to improve your own marriage. If you are both single, it could mean asking them out on a date.
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Post by NeverGiveUp on Oct 26, 2018 0:13:49 GMT -6
I did not read it yet, but I had a realization the other day. I tend to be attracted to other women quite a bit and have to fight constantly to not be. Well I realized that if we weren't so up tight in the church about sexual sin and guarding ourselves we could be friends with the opposite sex and it wouldn't be a big deal. The forbidden has turned into the desired. though I take ownership for my behavior, I still feel like women in the church are over sexualized. Damn pretty women
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Post by KSSunflower on Oct 26, 2018 11:52:39 GMT -6
I did not read it yet, but I had a realization the other day. I tend to be attracted to other women quite a bit and have to fight constantly to not be. Well I realized that if we weren't so up tight in the church about sexual sin and guarding ourselves we could be friends with the opposite sex and it wouldn't be a big deal. The forbidden has turned into the desired. though I take ownership for my behavior, I still feel like women in the church are over sexualized. Damn pretty women I often feel the same way about being friends with the opposite sex. I really miss having male friends but I don't feel comfortable pursuing friendships with men because on some level it feels wrong now. I think it's sometimes difficult to separate the sexual aspects from it, especially if there's any attraction. The reality is that friendships with the opposite sex have to have boundaries that same sex friendships don't. When you know that you can't cross certain lines you're going to be more cautious in those situations. Nobody would question my fidelity if I had a night out with a girlfriend. I would love to be able to hang out with another man the way I could a woman, but they aren't the same. There will always be that risk.
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Post by twuewuv on Oct 28, 2018 14:01:46 GMT -6
How do you feel the therapist did in answering his question?
I thought the therapist did well in that regard.
What would you say if you were this person's bishop, friend, parent?
This is normal. You just act on it or dwell on it.
Have you found people other than your spouse attractive?
All the time.
Do you feel it is common? If so, how common?
I feel it is very common for males and females to be attracted to the opposite sex, even after marriage, which is sometimes why infidelity happens.
Do you think it is more prevalent among one gender?
I think it is more prevalent among men as they tend to be more visually attracted to women.
How do you keep it from crossing the line into lust? What specific actions do you take?
I have to consciously push it out of my mind and think about other things, sing hymns, etc.
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Post by NeverGiveUp on Oct 29, 2018 0:39:34 GMT -6
I often feel the same way about being friends with the opposite sex. I really miss having male friends but I don't feel comfortable pursuing friendships with men because on some level it feels wrong now. I think it's sometimes difficult to separate the sexual aspects from it, especially if there's any attraction. The reality is that friendships with the opposite sex have to have boundaries that same sex friendships don't. When you know that you can't cross certain lines you're going to be more cautious in those situations. Nobody would question my fidelity if I had a night out with a girlfriend. I would love to be able to hang out with another man the way I could a woman, but they aren't the same. There will always be that risk. Yes I does feel wrong. It's not but it does. Hiding it would be wrong for me. There is the risk for sure. I was the same. Almost all my friends in my youth were girls. I just get along better with them. I still maintain that all the caution leads to an over sexualization of women. To me it has turned female friends into targets of sexual desire... I hate it. Anyway. I'm side tracking the thread.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 21:48:11 GMT -6
I don't think attraction is wrong any more than enjoying a beautiful painting or the experience of the wind across your body, sand between your toes, and sound of the waves on a gorgeous beach. It was made by God and if it's something of beauty, I see no problem enjoying it.
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Post by edshubby on Apr 4, 2019 10:23:29 GMT -6
For the most part, it was a good answer. I’m hard pressed to improve on it. The only thing I don’t know that I’m on the same page about is the “whole person = wholesome attraction; pure sexual response = lust” dichotomy. I think it is possible to be attracted to people you only see or hear but do not know. Since you don’t know the whole person, it sounds like the author would classify that as lust. I would not necessarily, depending on how it was handled. Of course, people besides my spouse are attractive. It’s not like getting married flips a biological switch. It’s probably about as common as unmarried people finding others attractive. I think testosterone plays a role here and it is more prevalent in men. I think the suggestions in the article for avoiding lust are good. I would add that we need to assess potential actions for risk and avoid the risk. E.g. it doesn’t make sense for someone with a history of suicidal ideation to buy a gun for any reason, even if it is supposed to be for sport or self defense. Similarly, if I am attracted to someone not my spouse, I should avoid situations where we are alone together.
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